Keir Starmer insisted that "we are not going down that route" of "austerity" in answer to questions after his speech in Hull today.
The most eye-catching line in the speech was the surprise abolition of NHS England, the arms'-length bureaucracy that runs the health service, duplicating many of the functions of the Department of Health.
But the problem of rising welfare costs continues to press in on the government. Ed Balls, the former shadow chancellor, said on his podcast with George Osborne: "Cutting the benefits of the most vulnerable in our society who can't work to pay for that [the fiscal challenge] is not going to work, and it's not a Labour thing to do."
Osborne said he had tried to "reduce the generosity" of personal independence payments (PIP) in the Budget in 2016 and "made a big case about how we've got to deal with incapacity benefits going up, Iain Duncan Smith resigned as the welfare secretary from the cabinet, and I had to back down on it".
More trouble ahead.
To give some idea of the human cost, our reporter Albert Toth spoke to people with experience of PIP.
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